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UTIG Seminar - Skyller Walkes - Shared screen with speaker view
Dana Thomas
37:21
Something you wouldn’t even think of doing!
Dana Thomas
37:33
(for thinking of it being “radical”)
Dana Thomas
38:22
not accepting any exclusivity
Sophie Goliber (she/her)
39:05
Going out of your way to become inclusive by thinking critically about your own biases and your identity
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
40:00
Sorry, I came in late…. Can someone catch me up?
Andrew Gase
40:38
We're pondering the meaning of "radically inclusive"
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
40:45
Thanks…
Dana Thomas
41:14
I like that (courageous!)!
Ginny Catania
43:42
Higher ed implies ‘above’ another type of learning
Jasmine Gulick
43:43
Higher education implies superiority
Dana Thomas
43:45
because it implies there’s a “lower?”
Sean Gulick
43:49
classism
Carlos Torres-Verdin
44:02
Implies a biased reference point
Hima Hassenruck Gudipati (she/her)
44:10
Higher ed can signal something inaccessible
Carlos Torres-Verdin
45:52
"higher" and "advanced" are customarily used for the same biased purpose
Gail Christeson
46:08
Patrick has his hand up
Chase Rakowski
46:16
Great point! Academia has a big elitist/superiority complex
Jaime Davis (she/her)
46:26
I love that messaging. There are so many smart, intelligent people who work here who never even graduated from high school.
Patrick Heimbach
46:27
Was by mistake
Patrick Heimbach
46:36
Thanks!
Gail Christeson
46:36
Been there, done that!
Dana Thomas
47:09
I would like to unpack that (global majority). I’ve heard that we should perhaps avoid URM.
Dana Thomas
47:14
*using URM
Ginny Catania
51:02
Respect. Transparency. Fairness.
Dana Thomas
51:03
RESPECT
Ginny Catania
51:15
Equity with resources
Brandon Shuck
51:22
Supportive environment
Sandra Catlett
51:53
genuine acknowledgement
Ethan Conrad
51:58
Fairness in opportunity
Dana Thomas
53:14
Ability to accept feedback
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
53:38
+1 to Dana!
Gail Christeson
53:39
Respect for everyone regardless of job title
Leah Turner
53:50
Awareness/Consciousness
Sean Gulick
54:47
Voice for everyone regardless of job title too
Dan Duncan
55:11
leadership
Dana Thomas
55:19
I will challenge that there is variance with being comfortable with even saying hello in the hallway based on cultural norms.
Ethan Conrad
55:22
Be courageous to reach out to others and start dialogues
Mrinal Sen
55:39
social interaction
Dana Thomas
56:06
+1 to Gail in that structured activities help the social interaction, because of those cultural norms
Dana Thomas
56:23
Yes, Jasmine!!!!
Dan Duncan
56:30
mentorship
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
56:39
Yes!
Timothy Smith
56:50
+1 Sean and Jasmine, ideals have to resonate from all professional levels
Ginny Catania
57:36
I think we don’t spend enough time to know one another personally.
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
57:57
@Ginny agree
Ginny Catania
58:44
It has been to ignore
Dana Thomas
59:12
Hmmm…this is hard!
Kirk Scanlan
59:15
call it out
Dana Thomas
59:16
Talk to them about it…?
Gail Christeson
59:25
Mentorship - they might not realize what they are doing wrong
Dana Thomas
59:31
Yes, intervention with first a benefit of the doubt to avoid…”canceling"
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
59:34
^^^
Dana Thomas
59:37
@Gail I like that!
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
59:41
+1 at Gail
Dana Thomas
59:56
But who does it?
Dan Duncan
01:00:06
anyone
Hima Hassenruck Gudipati (she/her)
01:00:25
@Dana I agree especially given power dynamics!
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:00:25
Especially people in power
Margaret Lindeman (she/her/hers)
01:00:36
make sure anyone who has been harmed is heard and supported
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:01:33
That really hits the nail on the head!
Gail Christeson
01:02:12
Bystander intervention
Sean Gulick
01:02:29
There is danger in someone also getting labeled on their progress to learning how to interact in a more sensitive way…need to allow for growth
Dana Thomas
01:02:56
Calling someone in…I love that.
Dana Thomas
01:03:23
@Sean, yes. We don’t want people to be afraid of making mistakes (I include myself in this!!!).
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:03:43
^agree
Ginny Catania
01:07:31
YES!
Thorsten Becker
01:09:28
I think that is very important. We had discussed this a couple of years ago at DGS but ran into all kinds of this “cannot be done” and this “is unprecedented”, as always
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:09:41
*sigh*
Jaime Davis (she/her)
01:09:51
The university has a bias incident response tool: https://diversity.utexas.edu/ccrt/
Jamin Greenbaum
01:09:57
Report a Bias Incident or Diversity, Equity, Accessibility, & Inclusion (DEAI) Cultural Climate Concern in UTCOP or any UTCOP affiliated experiential sites https://utexas.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_3wobDfpSDwbzLbD
Dana Thomas
01:10:29
@Jaime, thanks for sharing that…I didn’t even know about that and i don’t think it’s linked to our JSG wide workplace guidelines
Ginny Catania
01:10:47
We need to adopt this.
Thorsten Becker
01:11:23
I agree, and I so much wish for once we would not have to justify any action with “oh, everybody else has done it already” (cf. GRExit)
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:12:07
^^^
Sandra Catlett
01:14:37
love that
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:14:43
YES
Dana Thomas
01:17:03
Petco even issued a statement against racism! ;)
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:18:45
I still feel like Newbie TBH…
Gail Christeson
01:18:54
Near the crosshair
Patrick Heimbach
01:19:09
+1 @Rowan
Dana Thomas
01:22:09
I would also add geographic background (when I lived in California I did feel bias against being from Louisiana and assumed to be ignorant!).
Jamin Greenbaum
01:23:39
Please respond if you still need the handout
Dana Thomas
01:24:19
Hahaha
An Nguyen
01:24:25
Could you redistribute it please (the handout)
Leah Turner
01:24:25
yes! talk about it! it’s okay to say “Black”
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:24:51
Haha, there’s a comedy skit about this
Leah Turner
01:25:05
it’s also inclusive! 🤷🏽‍♀️
Dana Thomas
01:25:10
^^Thank you, Leah. I feel like growing up when I was younger people almost considered it rude to describe someone by their race.
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:25:19
+1
Ginny Catania
01:25:23
Same
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:26:02
YAS!
Dana Thomas
01:26:18
I have work to do on understanding the use of African American and (versus?) Black.
Sean Gulick
01:29:23
Agree with Dana, no idea when I should use one or the other
Dana Thomas
01:29:49
Haha I remember getting called ma’am by little kids for the first time!
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:30:19
"There are black people in every continent who are all over the world," explained Professor Celeste Watkins-Hayes, an African American studies professor at Northwestern University. "African American is nation-specific. We are typically talking about black people who are born in the United States."
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:30:34
From https://www.cbsnews.com/news/not-all-black-people-are-african-american-what-is-the-difference/
Dana Thomas
01:30:39
Thank you Rowan!
Jasmine Gulick
01:30:48
I was about to share that Rowan!
Jasmine Nelson
01:31:01
Yes! @Rowan
Sean Gulick
01:31:02
But which is the default term we should use?
Jasmine Gulick
01:31:12
I think it comes down to Black is more of a catch-all term than African-American so it’s better to use.
Sean Gulick
01:31:27
Black because we don’t know where they were born?
Jasmine Gulick
01:31:29
Unless you’ve heard from someone directly that they refer to THEMSELF as African-American, you should use Black
Julia York
01:31:44
can also look up the term new afrikan it has a good definition of all three
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:31:50
:D
Jasmine Gulick
01:31:50
Or, as Skyller says, we perceive them to be Black (unless we’ve heard them self-identify)
Sean Gulick
01:32:03
Makes sense
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:32:04
^^^
Sandra Catlett
01:32:41
Black or African-American is a very personal choice, and it's not ours to make on behalf of that person. We can simply ask them and allow them to define themselves, if there is really a need to make that definition. Same with Latinx or Mexican or Spanish; etc.
Dana Thomas
01:33:19
^Thank you, Sandra
Dana Thomas
01:33:34
And Jasmine!
Jasmine Gulick
01:33:45
That’s a great point, Sandra!
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:33:52
(Also Latinx vs Latino/Latina)
Jasmine Gulick
01:34:06
It’s the race/skin color =/= ethnicity
Dana Thomas
01:34:07
Amazing!
Geeta Persad
01:34:14
I have a question!
Dan Duncan
01:34:14
Thanks so much, great presentation
Jaime Davis (she/her)
01:34:30
I have a question
Sophie Goliber (she/her)
01:34:31
@grad students, please see email from Kelly Olsen and me for link to the grad student “lunch” at 12!
Kelly Olsen (she/her)
01:34:39
Reminder that all students are invited to lunch with Dr. Walkes at noon today!!
Leah Turner
01:35:00
African American is nation-specific. There are black people all over the world. All black people in American do not have direct connection with the history of Slavery that originated in Africa.
Carlos Torres-Verdin
01:35:04
Thanks very much, Dr. Walkes, for sharing your time and insights with us!
Gail Christeson
01:35:04
There is also a happy hour at 5
Dana Thomas
01:35:18
(This is not a question for Dr. Walkes, but I’m curious if anyone here is from BEG? I apologize for not knowing.)
Sandra Catlett
01:35:56
Love that -- cookout conversations!
Carlos Torres-Verdin
01:36:43
Dr. Walkes: what are your suggestions to achieve a more diverse leadership at UT Austin?
Ginny Catania
01:37:07
^^^^^^^
Dana Thomas
01:37:21
That’s brave that you try to do that on social media, Jaime! (I’m impressed!)
Geeta Persad
01:37:21
+1 to Carlos question!
Ginny Catania
01:37:29
@Carlos Or at least diversity-appreciating.
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:37:59
+2!
Dana Thomas
01:38:17
Jaime, I struggle with it because I feel like I really like to get to know people first and know where they’re coming from…figure out if we both even care!
Sandra Catlett
01:38:42
Love that Dana "figure out if we both even care"
Leah Turner
01:38:47
A lot of appreciation for everyone from JSG who took the time to listen to Dr. Walkes. It gives me a lot of hope for building inclusive (and hopefully equitable) community here!
Jasmine Gulick
01:39:06
^^^
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:39:12
<3
Ginny Catania
01:39:57
I just wanted to get Carlos’ question answered. Hand lowered now.
Jamin Greenbaum
01:40:09
Ok thank you
Ginny Catania
01:41:43
Now I have a follow on
Dana Thomas
01:41:47
I have to go, but I wanted to say thank you and speaking as a member of our GeoFORCE and BIGR staff, I love seeing everyone standing up and being interested in these efforts…it’s sometimes overwhelming to think about all we “should be doing” within our space and it’s wonderful to know we will be doing this as a team!
Dana Thomas
01:41:58
Thank you Jamin for organizing this.
Leah Turner
01:42:22
Say that, Dr. Walkes!!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Sandra Catlett
01:42:32
YES
Jamin Greenbaum
01:42:55
Ok Ginny
Hima Hassenruck Gudipati (she/her)
01:45:23
Another question for Dr. Walkes: How can we signal to a community that their concerns are heard after folks have been called in?
Geeta Persad
01:45:40
Thank you very much, Dr. Walkes! Very sorry to have to leave this conversation early. I look forward to continuing the conversation with everyone in JSG!
Sean Gulick
01:48:38
Risk is about retention…that’s a great argument…so change culture for everyone to feel a sense of belonging and thus are retained
Ginny Catania
01:49:00
Diversity is PROVEN as a mechanism for retention
Lisa Boucher
01:49:12
^^^
Sandra Catlett
01:53:56
As long as you *do* something with that data!
Ginny Catania
01:54:08
@sandra YES
Brandon Shuck
01:55:46
Many people often don’t fill out candid responses in surveys out of fear of retaliation, especially in smaller commuities (even if identifying information is removed)
Jasmine Nelson
01:55:56
That is actually the reason I have not taken some surveys in the past, especially with listing my race here at jsg. There is some hesitance there
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:55:57
yep!
Jasmine Nelson
01:56:06
^ true, Brandon
Kiara Gomez
01:56:23
Retaliation is often the most fear part
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:57:00
THIS THIS THIS!!!!
Rowan Martindale (she/her)
01:57:09
Change needs to follow listening
Leah Turner
01:57:52
I’ve taken almost all of them... so good!
Mariel Nelson (she/her)
01:58:00
Also dynamics of diversity course
Sean Gulick
01:58:27
Thanks for a great talk and discussion!
Ginny Catania
01:58:54
THANK YOU!
Jasmine Gulick
01:59:01
Thank you, that was great
Jasmine Nelson
01:59:06
Fantastic talk! Thank you so much
Patty Standring (she/her)
01:59:09
Thank you!! This was fantastic!
Brandon Shuck
01:59:11
Thank you!
Hima Hassenruck Gudipati (she/her)
01:59:13
Thank you so much for starting the conversation!
Nicholas Montiel
01:59:16
Thank you! That was incredible!
Sandra Catlett
01:59:16
DDCE Diversity Certificate: https://diversity.utexas.edu/certificate/
Brianna Duran
01:59:20
thank you!!
Kathleen Wilson
01:59:23
Thank you Dr. Walkes and Jamin for organizing. This was one of the most useful and beneficial seminars I have attended at UT.
Estefania Salgado-Jauregui
01:59:30
Fantastic! Thank you so much!
Carlos Torres-Verdin
01:59:33
Thanks!
Duncan Young
01:59:39
Thanks for a great discussion!
Mariel Nelson (she/her)
01:59:51
Thank you please come back if you can!!!!!!!!
Lisa Boucher
01:59:54
Thanks - appreciate your presentation & conversation, esp. your frankness! Hope you come back!
Elizabeth Kelton
01:59:58
Thank you, that was great